but i think mitt romney is an underrated debater. he may not be as sophisticated as president obama, but i watched romney chop down gingrich, who is a brilliant debater. and you did, too. and then we watched romney chop down rick santorum, who wasn't bad. so all i'll say is, don't underestimate mitt romney during the debates. >> then you've got -- i have to ask about peggy noonan who's railed on them twice. wants jim bake tore come back in and salvage to whole -- >> jim baker, we all love jim baker. >> she says republicans today, she tweets that republicans have thanked her for instilling some discipline into this campaign. do you agree? >> perhaps so. all i want is an economic growth message. this is about jobs and the economy. lower taxes. lower spending. lighter regulation, particularly on energy. in my humble opinion, it's a great message for mitt romney because the president is going to go for higher tax rates and more spending and more regulation. you have a contrast. but to make a contrast work, you have to set up a contrast w